We played the game so regularly that I was starting to get annoyed that he always played the same character and never tried anything different. So one time we started setting up the game I surreptitiously slipped Ashcan Pete underneath the box. When he couldn't find the character sheet somebody challenged him to try playing something different and he looked crestfallen, like his favorite toy had been taken away. I echoed the challenge and revealed I had hid the character, hoping he would pick something different.
He said "I understand. You don't want me to have fun. I'll play something different."
I've been playing this character in Apocalypse World named Tully. Tully is a grotesque of indeterminate gender. Tully has this weird black slime that grows out of his skin, his eyes are lidless and milky green as if something is growing beneath the surface of the sclera, and he's scrawny and hunched like a corpse come to life. The "tarman" zombie from Return of the Living Dead is literally what I based Tully's appearance off of.
He's my favorite character that I've ever made. I've written him up in two different games. I will likely end up playing him again in other games if I'm given the opportunity.
I'm not sure exactly how long I've been playing Tully this time (three sessions? four?) but I know that I have firmly established that Tully does not fight. He is not aggressive or mean or divisive in any way. Yet Tully's hard has been highlighted in nearly every session I have played him. The first time it happened I said nothing, but made a note right under his hard stat on my character sheet "TULLY DOESN'T FIGHT" in all caps and yet, his hard still gets highlighted.
"Yeah I'm a pacifist, you wanna fight 'bout it?!"
Recently Tully was confronted by the presence of some nasty supernatural shit and in that moment Tully decided "This thing is not human, this thing is bad, this thing I will fight." But even in that scene where Tully decided to fight, there was literally nothing I could do. The creature that appeared was made of shadow and ephemeral so I didn't even get to roll dice. Let's forget for a second that making an enemy you can't fight is an obnoxious thing to do on the GM's part and focus instead on the fact that everything I've established about Tully is set in stone, I am not going to change Tully's relationship to violence. Tully doesn't fight, but his hard has been highlighted three times now.
The first time it happened it was irritating. The second time it happened was frustrating. Now it just feels antagonistic. I have a lot of fun playing Tully, but I also have a lot of fun expanding the character and giving him a wider range of options. That I should be distracted from this because somebody wants to see my pacifist get aggressive is annoying. The process of gaining experience and moving my character forward in a game where the characters are defined by the phrase "you are what you do" has become more alienating and challenging than actually playing the game. I am at the point where I've stopped moving Tully forward in a way that I want and I am considering taking moves just to be able to play the character the way I want to play him.
Tully is the third character I have made for this game, and the third pacifist.
The first character was Errol, a driver, who just didn't like conflict. I barely figured out exactly who Errol was when he got into an argument with the gunlugger in the group about how to intimidate people, Errol started a fight to prove a point (because his hard was marked) and a few missed rolls later Errol got killed. I didn't mind too much, but I did mind when I got called an asshole for following my highlighted stats.
The second character was Glitch, a 19 year old girl missing her left arm, also a brainer (with -2 hard). She's not very good with people, but she was also tortured physically growing up. I never established how she lost the arm. It was really easy to figure out who she was, but when her hard got marked I spoke up and pointed out that one-armed teenagers are not exactly fighters. I was, and have been ever since, essentially told to shut up.
The whole process of highlighting stats works in theory. You want to pick the stuff a character is good at, but you also want to see what else they will do. Getting a player to try out different approaches is not inherently a bad thing. Mark cool and hard for the Hocus and maybe he will get a little confrontational. Mark hot and sharp for the Gunlugger and maybe she'll try manipulating someone instead of just going in, guns blazing. It's okay to try things out, push the characters into new directions, and that definitely works really well sometimes. But when a character's philosophy is established firmly as one of peace - and Tully will never hurt other human beings under any circumstances, ever - marking a stat that would force me to change that philosophy and actively seek conflict in order to advance is just rude and unfriendly, if not downright hostile.
I'll mark something the player doesn't want to use. Even if they don't use moves based on this stat (like when you say that your character is a pacifist), it matters. I'll think about it as a temptation: are you so sure your character is this way, that you don't want XP?
ReplyDeleteWhat's Tully's Hard? +2? +0? If it's high, I would highlight it to see it in the game. If it's low - I'd like to see non-violent person trying to use force and failing (spectacularly). Plus: hard is not only about fighting, but being prepared to back up your words with violence (maybe character is desperated: "tell me what I want, or I'll shoot you. I don't wanna, but I will").
On the other hand the book says that is better to highlight different stats from session to session.
Am I so sure Tully is this way? Yes.
DeleteSo sure that I don't want XP? Yes.
That should be pretty clear after one session of having Tully's hard marked, especially since two people tried to start fights with him. I can understand doing it once, but after that, it's just incredibly douchey to keep doing it.
Tully doesn't back up his words with violence, ever. Like it's written on my character sheet: TULLY DOESN'T FIGHT
The book also says "be a fan of the player's character"
This may not be accurate but it might be your group.
ReplyDeleteI personally will highlight weak stats or even stats that go against a character's philosophy but only after the character has gotten a few advancements. I wouldn't do it regularly unless that player had managed to outpace the rest of the group by a wide margin (like the Brainer who had twice the advancements of any other PC).
That doesn't seem to be the case here. Is everyone getting hard highlighted regularly? Maybe they want more violence. If so I'd either go with it or find a new group.
Is the MC highlighting your hard or the PCs? Are they singling you out? Honestly it sounds like you are playing with jerks. Again I'd find a new group. Alternatively play a Space Marine Mammal and murder the game world.
I wouldn't do it regularly unless that player had managed to outpace the rest of the group by a wide margin...
DeleteExactly!
But, you know, as an MC, I don't worry about who is outpacing who. One bad series of rolls can mess up anybody's character.
Tully is a new character. He's gotten 6 experience points total over three or four sessions, and in the last session he earned zero.
Alternatively play a Space Marine Mammal and murder the game world.
I honestly don't know at this point who would keep marking my characters' hard. I had considered making a Faceless and just murdering anybody who crosses me, but I think this is equally antagonistic and unfriendly.
There are cases where trying to make allowances for one player's fun is detrimental to the group. I once played with someone who cheated on his dice rolls because not rolling well was not fun. I'm not saying your complaint falls within this realm, but the argument that you have to allow players to do what they want because it is how they have fun only goes so far.
ReplyDeleteCheating is not playing, it's cheating.
DeleteThat sounds like you're trying to make a correlation to my having fun with the group's having fun.
"Marking Tully's hard is more fun for everybody else." "Marking Tully's hard is beneficial to the group as a whole." or "Not marking Tully's hard is detrimental to the group as a whole." How does that work?
If none of these are true, then what is the reason for marking Tully's hard?
I could have been more explicit that I don't think your issue falls in this category. But yes, you do have to measure the group fun vs any one player's fun. If one player's fun is to piss off the other players in some way, then some action needs to be taken for the good of the group. In your example, the group decided that it was OK for the player to continue to use the same character over and over. Another group might have come to another decision and that would have been OK too.
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ReplyDeleteI don't think the group should continue to highlight Tully's Hard stat once it is clear that is not the direction you want this character to go. But, perhaps a conversation is in order with the group so you can understand why they seem to want you to change how you are playing your character. If I were your MC, I'd probably enjoy seeing how you worked your way out of situations without resorting to violence. It sounds interesting!
ReplyDeleteIf you can't have a satisfactory conversation with the group and figure out what's going on then another game or another group might be for the best. There's gaming gold to be had out there!
Oh man I miss Arkham Horror! Without the Injury/Insanity cards, my group played once and hated it, and has been reluctant to play again.
ReplyDeleteI loved our custom abilities you made: especially how I couldn't complain about mine (Obnoxious Diva?) without proving it correct... well played sir.
Everybody misses you Jake.
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